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	<title>Comments on: Surly Four</title>
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		<title>By: Surly Brewing: two more beers to hit 750 mL bottles in early 2010 &#8211; Beerpulse</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-97559</link>
		<dc:creator>Surly Brewing: two more beers to hit 750 mL bottles in early 2010 &#8211; Beerpulse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 22:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] style would be an Iced Double Espresso Milk Stout. He is brewing up 60 bbl&#8217;s for the release. MNBeer says that the beer will be freeze-concentrated, 19 plato OG, and around 10% [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] style would be an Iced Double Espresso Milk Stout. He is brewing up 60 bbl&#8217;s for the release. MNBeer says that the beer will be freeze-concentrated, 19 plato OG, and around 10% [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Surly Four Release Party &#124; MNBeer &#8211; Beer from the Twin Cities, Minnesota, Minneapolis, St. Paul and beyond</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-89478</link>
		<dc:creator>Surly Four Release Party &#124; MNBeer &#8211; Beer from the Twin Cities, Minnesota, Minneapolis, St. Paul and beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talking poddy-trained and in big boy pants&#8230; yup, the gang at Surly turns four this year. As we mentioned before, they&#8217;ll be releasing Four, an iced (eised?) double espresso milk stout. To celebrate four years, they&#8217;ll be having a release party at the Blue Nile in Minneapolis [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talking poddy-trained and in big boy pants&#8230; yup, the gang at Surly turns four this year. As we mentioned before, they&#8217;ll be releasing Four, an iced (eised?) double espresso milk stout. To celebrate four years, they&#8217;ll be having a release party at the Blue Nile in Minneapolis [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FlatEarth</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87456</link>
		<dc:creator>FlatEarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess everything is cool as long as they don&#039;t exceed .5% of the volume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess everything is cool as long as they don&#8217;t exceed .5% of the volume.</p>
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		<title>By: FlatEarth</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87455</link>
		<dc:creator>FlatEarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATF has also examined statements of process for ice beers. Our examination has found that the volume removed as ice crystals does not exceed 0.5 percent of the volume of the beer entered into the process. ATF thus concludes that removal of up to 0.5 percent of the volume of beer through the removal of ice crystals is customary industry practice and results in a product which may be considered beer.

Held. The meaning of the term &quot;concentrate&quot; defined in 25.11 does not include beer which has been reduced in volume through the extraction of ice crystals from the beer if: (1) the volume removed is a de minimis amount (not more than 0.5 percent of the volume of beer used in producing such product); and (2) the resultant product resembles beer. Under these conditions, the beer is not subject to the restrictions of Subpart R or to labeling requirements relating to concentrate. Such beer may be imported or removed taxpaid or tax determined and sold to consumers as beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATF has also examined statements of process for ice beers. Our examination has found that the volume removed as ice crystals does not exceed 0.5 percent of the volume of the beer entered into the process. ATF thus concludes that removal of up to 0.5 percent of the volume of beer through the removal of ice crystals is customary industry practice and results in a product which may be considered beer.</p>
<p>Held. The meaning of the term &#8220;concentrate&#8221; defined in 25.11 does not include beer which has been reduced in volume through the extraction of ice crystals from the beer if: (1) the volume removed is a de minimis amount (not more than 0.5 percent of the volume of beer used in producing such product); and (2) the resultant product resembles beer. Under these conditions, the beer is not subject to the restrictions of Subpart R or to labeling requirements relating to concentrate. Such beer may be imported or removed taxpaid or tax determined and sold to consumers as beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87449</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Mean, it is illegal at the home distilling (homebrewing) level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Mean, it is illegal at the home distilling (homebrewing) level.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mean</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87434</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Mean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t freeze concentrating (Eising) illegal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t freeze concentrating (Eising) illegal?</p>
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		<title>By: beerfan</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87371</link>
		<dc:creator>beerfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was trying to be funny and make the point that the assumptions people make about a beer before you even taste it will color how you eval the beer.

I&#039;d be willing to lay money down that in a blind tasting of Four Chip would say something completely different about the beer than if he were told first that it was a Surly beer.

For example, I&#039;m not fond of Dogfish Head beers. Give me one and I immediately start thinking &quot;This will be all out of balance and most likely too sweet.&quot; Hand me the same beer in a glass and don&#039;t tell me what it is and I&#039;ll have to eval the beer on it&#039;s own merits without first thinking one thing or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to be funny and make the point that the assumptions people make about a beer before you even taste it will color how you eval the beer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to lay money down that in a blind tasting of Four Chip would say something completely different about the beer than if he were told first that it was a Surly beer.</p>
<p>For example, I&#8217;m not fond of Dogfish Head beers. Give me one and I immediately start thinking &#8220;This will be all out of balance and most likely too sweet.&#8221; Hand me the same beer in a glass and don&#8217;t tell me what it is and I&#8217;ll have to eval the beer on it&#8217;s own merits without first thinking one thing or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87350</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tow aged great.

And beerfan, I really couldn&#039;t think of a better word than detractor to get accross the drama I was going for.  Not sure I would want to be a fanboy either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tow aged great.</p>
<p>And beerfan, I really couldn&#8217;t think of a better word than detractor to get accross the drama I was going for.  Not sure I would want to be a fanboy either.</p>
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		<title>By: al</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87308</link>
		<dc:creator>al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a bottle of Two recently, it was great. I liked it young, too, but didn&#039;t like it right away...took a few more sips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a bottle of Two recently, it was great. I liked it young, too, but didn&#8217;t like it right away&#8230;took a few more sips.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mnbeer.com/2009/12/07/surly-four/comment-page-1/#comment-87291</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention you also mocked him, beerfan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention you also mocked him, beerfan.</p>
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